I get that is the simplest way for you but imho a lot more could have been done to alert people to the issue. After finally having a decent way to get rid of the plethora of dead and duplicate content we get stale data with dups instead :/. 80k shows is a lot (15k of those “airing”) and if TMDB is the new “go to source” things like Batman - Trakt should not be kept imho which is why I’d want to block some “never fixables”.
I use those TVDB entries myself to sort them in but let’s be honest… they’re are not “episodes” to a “series” but mere loose collections based on the network (hence “general”).
To make matters worse people often add them to multiple “shows” (eg. into the BBC Docs and the “Horizon” entry) and they are not necessarily “complete” and set to a proper listing order at any point (some people even add rebroadcasts in a different year).
Some documentaries are also produced by external companies and get broadcast on various networks with different names in the US or UK or completly different languages making them their own entities anyways.
At the end of the month the entries on trakt will go stale so if you want new stuff you’ll have to add them as movies on TMDB or find the appropriate series (of which most are still untouched and not set to TMDB)… eg. All TV Shows - TMDB Transition - Trakt . All TV Shows - TMDB Transition - Trakt All TV Shows - TMDB Transition - Trakt All TV Shows - TMDB Transition - Trakt All TV Shows - TMDB Transition - Trakt (prime example of being migrated…)
If we’re moving to the TMDB world, Seasons 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 of Trakt ID 34400 need to be merged into Seasons 1,2,3,4 & 5 of Trakt ID 174953. (FWIW, I don’t think this is the “correct” decision, but it’s TMDB’s rules!) There’s also some merging necessary of the “Specials” but I can submit that in another place!
I made my fair share of edits recently and still have close to 80 recent reports untouched on TMDB so regardless I’ll end up with dead stuff on trakt and it will be the same for lots of other people. Is this at least ready now to be properly communicated? Not that a week is gonna change much but it will be a lot more frustrating for people when they can’t even compare up to date data anymore (and fix stuff themselves)… Kate’s gonna have fun but I hope she won’t have to deal with this alone…
It was more to emphasize that loosely associated content would often be better of in the movie section.
Figured as trakt users we would care about this but OK
But the likes of Series Guide uses TMDb, and at the minute it’s a mess because they completely switched over to TMDb and I have loads of “extra” episodes that have suddenly appeared on what was completed series because the data is wrong/different to what TVDb was.
Fair enough. I’d be in the same boat if it weren’t for the TVDB devs actively trying to ruin their own database. The way you earn the free key is also scummy af.
Certainly curious now as it looks like the Plex userbase can still use TVDB data through their scrapper Support for new TheTVDB.com policies and API - #2 by OttoKerner - Metadata & Adding Files - Plex Forum and other “file” oriented services too… Cannot imagine them all having to cash out crazy money for that.
This is the issue i had with the whole change over
There was one report on Reddit (I think it was), where someone mentioned having been told a high price, everyone just jumped on this as the cost and said we are not going to pay this
Did Trakt speak to the people at tvdb to get a cost they would be charged?
Perhaps Plex got a good deal for the data, because they actually communicated with tvdb about the change
It really sucks because it turns out TVDB is actually needed because they allow YouTube series and podcasts. They now have leverage and can ask for more. If Trakt actually communicated with TVDB early on they could have gotten a good deal.
And the TMDB data is still really bad/delayed, which is disappointing. I love Trakt, been a VIP member for years, but it is a lot less useful now. I used to be able to look at the week ahead and know what was airing, but I can’t do that for some really BIG shows anymore, the less watched ones sometimes don’t update for weeks.
As much as I have loved and supported Trakt over the years, for the first time ever I’m looking at alternatives, which makes me sad.
I created a new blog post the explains all about TV show metadata including importing, refreshing, and migrating. I’ll be sending this out via twitter soon as well.
I’m not going to dive into specifics, but we talked with a lot of companies and developers when reaching our decision to use TMDB. We determined that is the best choice for Trakt. With all due respect, a lot of the guesses about those conversations aren’t accurate.
Please use the “report show” link and provide those details. That way it goes into our support queue.
We’re all working on metadata related tasks include the support tickets, migrations we’re doing on our own, and building tools and UI to make it easier. Some of these internal tools will become more public once we’ve worked out the bugs.
I can look into some specific shows if you can provide examples. I want to see if this is a refresh issue or a missing data issue.
It’s missing data, which when you realize it means it gets delayed (because imports seem to take a day even when forcing an import). I know this, because I have added the data myself.
Bob Hearts Abishola is one example that sticks out recently. It’s gotten a little better, last May I was spending 2 hours a week adding missing data to TMDB, we’ll see how the season progresses.
Great to see that I can use the report feature for adding episode runtimes!
However, can I report an entire season and then provide the runtimes for each individual episode? I have a lot of shows that need to be reported but creating individual tickets for each episode seems somewhat unhandy.
I’ve definitely noticed that there’s definitely a many-hours lag between my making edits on TMDB and Trakt picking them up when I hit “Refresh Data”. Not sure where that caching is happening (My uneducated guess is on TMDB’s API layer) but it’s a bit frustrating.
Does anyone know a reliable way of getting data force updated on TMDB by the mods over there? And/or would one of the tools allow locking a season on Trakt until the source data is eventually fixed on TMDB.
Essentially my current gripe is someone added 31 redundant episodes to Pokemon on TMDB over a month ago and this appears to have been reported multiple times as the show/season/episode level and nothing has been done on their end
There’s a day left until the cutoff and I have been scrambling to make sure existing YouTube series on TVDB are correct before they can’t be updated anymore. I am very frustrated so I am not going to pull any punches.
Idk about anyone else, but I didn’t say you guys didn’t talk to anyone. I said that you did not talk to TVDB. This is not a guess. You’ve all but confirmed this in the initial announcement, said nothing in the past year about following up directly with TVDB, and did not say anything after people including myself have claimed that you haven’t this past year.
But I admit that’s all indirect and speculative. So let me ask you directly.
Did you speak to TVDB to negotiate an actual price for the new API, and then decide to make the transition to TMDB due to the price being too high?
If the answer is yes, then I apologize for my earlier comment.
You can find initial horror stories about the pricing from multiple places like this but justin’s replies have indeed not been very specific (as indicated previously Tvdb changes to a subscribe model - #162 by ImpaktNY48 ;/).
Let’s all just pray that TiVo can keep paying the bills because some of those thousands of $$$s a day will now be permanently be shifting over to TMDB. (And if anyone doubts that this is an expensive endeavour to maintain just look at what it used to cost trakt before images were gutted from the API Reddit - The heart of the internet).
TMDB mods are volunteers - it’s sadly a patience game… You’ll only get snarky remarks if you bump your topic so you have better chances by waiting so it reaches their “backlog”.
H̶a̶v̶e̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶v̶d̶b̶ ̶a̶p̶i̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶e̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶n̶e̶w̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶c̶a̶c̶h̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶’̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶a̶s̶t̶ (the statement I saw is def not true). TMDB is usually random in the amount it picks up before it caches. In my experience is more often than not the 8 hours of wait time to get it completed.
Thanks… this has some very strong “he-who-shall-not-be-named-vibes” which won’t help SEO :?
Was it intentional to leave two of the top 25 most popular show on the site as examples of not being migrated over? I’d imagine those would be a priority to fix… (support tickets are also already a bit behind now I must note).
It is serviceable as a resource to read back about it but this is not the “announcement” or “call for action” I’d hoped for. Imho there should be some kind of infobar on the site for the next couple of weeks or some info bubble where source is “TVDB” so users can understand the consequences. Twitter and the vip forums are not really reaching a lot of people I’d argue. This won’t be rectified anytime soon unless there is a reasonable pool of contributors (which TVDB at least partially secured by keeping that specific subset of users around).
