Tvdb changes to a subscribe model

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it appears that it is because people add listings incorrectly, or add duplicates. TMDB is usually on top of this and deletes them right away, but not before someone adds them to Trakt. That is how you end up with dead links. This can be fixed on Trakt by clicking report movie/show on the main page of that item and detailing the issue. If they are still on TVDB that is because it takes them years to fix one locked air date.

According to TMDB it is not a TV Show…

That is because it was added as a duplicate and has since been removed on TMDB, I reported the duplicates to Trakt. Here is the correct listing, a quick search turned it up…

Same issue as before, it was added as a duplicate and has since been removed on TMDB and I reported the duplicates to Trakt. Here is the correct listing…

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Thanks, in the future I will report duplicates when I come across them. Just out of curiosity how does removing a dead TMDB film work. Does it update a users watched, rated, or added lists to replace the movie with the series or does it just remove it?

I can imagine seeing something like “So-in-So’s Top 1000 Movies” which after adjustments to remove movies has 980 films instead of 1000 films in the list. It also might cause someone to look at their ratings and say, why did my count drop by 20?

I’m a software engineer, so I know these are difficult problems to address. It’s even made harder when you don’t control the data you consume.

Thanks for your insights,
SW77

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Justin said before that all data is merged/moved to the actual good entry.
That can mean that you’ll get double watches/data if you marked both the entries as watched for some reason.

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Saw this update from TVDB posted on the Kodi blog. Looks like they are targeting the end of 2022 to shut down the v3 legacy API.

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Almost one year after the initial date ?
i don’t believe things went as they thought in thetvdb.

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If anything it’s because users are idiots :woman_facepalming:

They add stuff that doesn’t belong.

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i more agree with this. I mean what the heck and why some people are keep adding extra episodes to shows or changing clearling something that is correct. They are just trolls.

But of course mods on tvdb are awful (at least whenb i was trying years ago to contribute or report extra or wrong episodes), they ensist until they convince you that the earth is flat.

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No it’s not, it’s a different company, different MODs

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I’ve given up on TMDB. I’ve stopped updating my shows. They never respond to any of my issues. It’s been months. I’m not saying TVDB is perfect cuz it’s not and their mods can be annoying. But they’ve never ignored me for months.

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What was the content in question?

That is unfortunate, I have had it take some time before, but it was much worse for me on TVDB. :man_shrugging:

Update: I just reported something and it was fixed within the hour. What was it in particular?

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That might be if you’re working on very niche items. :joy: like anime or foreign stuff. I know they got Brazilian, German mods at least. I think Spanish too. And someone who’s a bit familiar with like Chinese content.

Easy stuff like dupes are handled very fast but if you’re reporting more advanced stuff where they actually have to look into stuff that you even provide links to… it might take a hot minute.

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All of my shows are niche. I may try again in the new year. All of my stuff is news shows.

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Globally I’ve had the same experience @Steffe73 had.

On report, quick response. But every time, something is more tricky than a simple delete/duplicate, you have to justify/explain 10 times, because one mod didn’t verify the info and persists in his error and other mods don’t intervene in the discussion or they just simply ignore you.

@arcreactor if you want a recent example : Reported Problem for Into the Dark: The Body - Discuss The Body — The Movie Database (TMDB)
I’ve taken the habit to insist because most of the time when it’s a new issue, they finally get that they were wrong and correct the issue. But this time I’ve receive a threat to be banned (without prior notice) :

Hi, with regards to Into the Dark, I’m not sure why you keep arguing and arguing when the decision is made and the rules are clear. This is now a final warning. Let it go, or your account will be banned.

Best, lineker (moderator)

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That’s from your experience. Mine is the opposite. And they are pretty bad for anime, listing remakes and spin-offs in the same page. And leaving no room for debate.
It took me months for them to answer some of the things I reported. And in the end, they did not fix them.
TMDB can have some controversial takes and be inflexible on some things, but they have clear rules and tend to follow only them.
Both services have bad sides, I, myself, prefer the way TMDB handles things.
Anyway, trakt can’t go back to TVDB, the reasons have already been said and that was decided long ago.

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So start a better one, offer it for free, and the world will love your moderation style and switch.

Half serious, half not. I’m not a huge fan of what we have now, but the reality is that moderating anything sucks, policies have ti exist because otherwise morons write bad data (liking thinking it is good, but when it is inconsistent between shows and between contributors, it will always be a mess).

And media is complicated. What is the difference between TV shows and a movie? And are you sure? What about a limited series TV series? Or a short series of Made for TV movies? Are webisodes part of the same series even though they aren’t on TV? How about webisodes that sit between movies? What do you do when the network straight out rewrites history (changing season numbers, episode numbers, and similar, but doesn’t tell anyone except in ads and interviews?)

Episodes are released in different orders in different places, some get skipped, some get removed from broadcast so do you leave a gap? And what about when the episode appears on the DVD but in a different spot?

It’s a mess, and this is the genuinely easy stuff, anime is different, sports needs different rules, nightly/weekly broadcasts don’t necessarily have a season although they might and it might or might not be the year, how do you know?

How about YouTube shows, do they get in the database? Are those webisodes?

The technical stuff (databases, APIs, servers, hosting) is all easy compared to the policy decisions and active moderation, and the moderators need to make decisions on shows they’ve never even heard of and don’t understand the complexities.

It sucks for all concerned, and I genuinely believe the various services do their best.

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I don’t know what you did and how many times you did it. I can’t judge on that, what I do know is that, with me, they have always been resonable and listened to what I had to say on controversial stuff. Most of the cases, just follow their guidelines and they will do the right thing according to it.
They have their guidelines and will follow them. If you don’t they might punish you.

On spirann’s case a few comment’s above they looked and analized many times, and they are using what they think is the best solution to that. However, I don’t agree with the threat as he hasn’t been disrespectful. I think that case is so complicated they should just allow it to be added as a show and as movies. But it is their website, their decision.

TVDB is a mess for anime, so I will never like it.

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Maybe it was the tone, or the attitude that they probably “get wrong”
Can you provide your posts on the forum maybe to get a better view ?

The attitude that i got ftom tvdb is more in the forms of

It is amazing how they cannot accept that they are wrong.

tvdb mod: no the earth is flat, you are banned

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Yeah I don’t agree with how they handled that.

I have unfortunately seen TVDB act much worse.
See my previous post on the subject…

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That sucks, but somewhat anticipated given the endless back and forth. I asked for them to involve Travis in this and even filled out the submission form in hopes to get a response but it’s unlikely. He usually is more level-headed and would at least put down a clear stance from the site and not a specific mod group.

Never had much friction with the old TVDB mods, only some of the newer ones (and can’t speak to the payed ones since I stopped using the site) but I found them to be much more consistent.

Mods on TMDB while very busy were never my coup of tea. Before they had the bible it was just random at best and now with that written they reference it to ad nauseam even if it makes the listing worse without putting it through proper scrutiny ever.
They are also often passive aggressive, closed plenty of my reports without comment (unresolved), delete the wrong ID duplicate plenty (in rare instances even shows/movies which were valid but what they consider worthy of inclusion varies huh), mass removed keywords they didn’t feel like fit or leave a simple image removal open for over a year for who knows what reasons (Reported Problem for Tawawa on Monday - Discuss Tawawa on Monday — The Movie Database (TMDB) ?)… Many question threads are also left unanswered or you get a “on the to do list” / “we are not quite sure yet” that gather dust for years really.

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I have had that issue popup recently, I messaged why was this closed and then it was fixed.